| A meeting of the Management Committee of the Board, Chairpersons of Technical Committees attending, And a Meeting of the Board, Were held on Friday, November 30, 2001 at the SODEHOTEL, Ave E. Mounier 5, B-1200 BRUSSELS |
Present:
| Mr. | G. d'Ottaviano | Chairman | Italy |
| Mr. | G.W. DRESSLER | Immediate Past-Chairman | Germany |
| Mr. | E. SPIELREIN | Vice-Chairman | France |
| Mr. | M. LECOMTE | Past-Chairman | France |
| Mr. | U. Filotto | Chairman, Stat. & Regulation Committee | Italy |
| Mr. | G. Fischer | Chairman, Legal Affairs Committee | Sweden |
| Mrs. | R.M. Gelpi | Chairwoman, External Relations Committee | Spain |
| Mr. | W. KARSTEN | Chairman, Euro Committee | Germany |
| Mr. | D. ANGERHAUSEN | B | |
| Mr. | F. FELIX | B | |
| Mr. | B. VERHEUGEN | D | |
| Mr. | A. ERASO | E | |
| Mr. | H. RUIZ | E | |
| Mr. | D. HENDRIKSZ | NL | |
| Mr. | E.K.L. STAP | NL | |
| Mr. | K. MATHER | UK/CCTA | |
| Mr. | M. Baert | Secretary General | |
| Mr. | M. Van Lierde | Deputy Secretary General |
1. Approval of the Minutes of the Meeting Held on September 6, 2001
The members approved the Minutes unanimously.
2. Technical Committees
2.1. Legal Affairs Committee (Mr. G. Fischer)
Mr. Fischer reminded the members of the holding of a joint meeting of the Legal Affairs and External Relations Committees on December 3, 2001.
2.1.1. Insurance Intermediaries
The draft Directive includes a definition of "intermediary" considered to be too wide-ranging. A wide interpretation of the concept could assimilate all sorts of middlemen (car dealers e.g. should be excluded) or retailers. Fully independent intermediaries only should be considered in the draft. Intermediaries whose main business is insurance sales should be covered; it is, however, difficult to define a "main business", particularly when insurances are accessory items to main contracts (credit contracts).
MCOB Recommendation and Board Decision
The LAC will have to consider whether creditors could be assimilated to insurance intermediaries: the VFN took the view that this might well be the case. The French Association on the contrary supported the opposite point of view. A final position must be reached.
2.1.2. Consumer Credit - Global Portfolio Insurance Proposed by DG SANCO
Eurofinas opposed this idea in its Position Paper. The Federation wants to show that the decision of financing bears no relation to the existence of an insurance coverage. For that purpose, an enquiry was made amongst members (to be finalized with the LAC), which demonstrates that insurance is not compulsory in Eurofinas' member countries (risks contemplated: "events of life": unemployment, divorce, disease). "Compulsory" insurances would result in a situation where credit granting would be included in a kind of "social policy framework" (not acceptable for the industry). A paradoxical consequence would be that people with an "unstable income" would be penalized with higher premiums!
MCOB Recommendation
The LAC will finalize the Federation's enquiry.
BOARD Decision
A lobby action needs to be launched by the NA with their local authorities (UK - NL - S already did!) These governments are reluctant to endorse DG SANCO's ideas.
Eurofinas to meet Mr. Udo Bader (DG MARKT). See attached report of meeting with Mr. Campogrande on November 29, 2001.
2.1.3. Green Paper on "Fair Commercial Practices"
The Secretariat will take part in a Special Hearing on December 7, 2001. The EU Commission wishes to improve the workings of the Internal Market (i.e. a better and more compatible local implementation of enacted Directives).
Two solutions are put forward:
· To favour the development of vertical Directives, or
· To favour a "mixed approach" (with "general clauses" taking precedence over the other Directives).
Eurofinas takes the view that financial services are already extensively regulated. "General clauses" -being too wide-ranging- are useless. A "business approach" is advisable (the Consumer Credit Directive is under review).
MCOB Recommendation and Board Decision
The LAC will study the Green Paper and the Secretariat will report on the Hearing.
2.2. External Affairs Committee (Mrs. R.-M.
Gelpi)
Mrs. Gelpi reported on the Seminar held in Charleroi November 13-14, 2001 (see
Secretariat Report: doc. 01112001/E, November 20, 2001). Topic discussed: "The
indebtedness phenomenon". The credit industry clearly expressed its views;
Mrs. Gelpi and Mr. Wilkinson made presentations at the Seminar.
Mr. Van Lysebettens (DG SANCO) expressed the view that it was not workable to
draft a new piece of legislation based on pieces from the various national legislations.
He, therefore, referred to the principle of "optimal harmonization",
which would make it possible for EU States to adopt additional pieces of legislation
in matters not covered by the "general text".
To be noted that on November 26, 2001, the EU Council approved a Resolution
"on credit and consumers' indebtedness" (possible follow-up of Charleroi
Seminar).
According to Mrs. GELPI, these matters do not appear to be a priority for the
next Spanish Presidency.
MCOB Recommendation and Board Decision
The ERC needs to carry on its lobbying activity with the EU Commission, EU Council and EU Parliament.
2.3. Credit Risk Agencies Working Group
In the absence of Mr. Wilkinson, Mrs. Gelpi reported
that Mr. Wilkinson made a very technical and neutral speech on Credit Risk Bureaux
in Charleroi.
The Chairman, Mr. d'Ottaviano reported on a meeting he had recently with Mr.
Casanovas, Chairman of ASNEF. This Association expressed the wish that Eurofinas
be more involved in matters related to credit bureaux; it is clear that Eurofinas
cannot engage in an actual business activity in this field; it could nevertheless
enter into a kind of partnership with Accis.
MCOB Recommendation and Board Decision
A meeting of the C.R.A.W.G. should be organized. On the agenda: ways and means in order to define a role for Eurofinas next to Accis:
- Update on the current operation of the various credit risk agencies in Europe.
- Analysis of the trans-flow proceedings for cross-border exchange of data information amongst credit bureaux (neutrality of Eurofinas)
- "Key-factor" system already functioning amongst Accis members.
- "Validation" of this formula by Eurofinas "taking the torch" for the consumer credit industry if endorsed by ACCIS.
2.4. Statistics and Regulation Committee ( Mr. U. Filotto)
Mr. Filotto reported that Mrs. Valette, Secretariat's
staff member, would benefit from ASSOFIN's experience in statistics collection
and handling. The date of the "training" was provisionally postponed
for unexpected reasons (illness of ASSOFIN's Mrs. Van Toorenburg).
Mr. Filotto deeply regretted the poor attendance at the last meeting of his
Committee in September (4 delegates) He also stated that figures are unreliable,
not comprehensive, and obsolete. Statistics are a major tool to support and
enhance the credibility of Eurofinas' lobby action.
It is recalled that the Secretariat compiled a list of persons expressly in
charge of collecting and transmitting statistics within each National Association.
Glossary: the Secretariat already proposed a basis for such a set of useful
definitions to be used when collecting statistics. This glossary should be extended.
This can be achieved with the support of some members to be nominated.
MCOB Recommendation
Statistical data need to be improved. If necessary, incomplete statistics will be published (with "n.a." for missing data related to given countries).
The Board will nominate 3 persons in charge of writing the definitions to include in the Glossary.
BOARD Decision
Are nominated: Messrs. VAQUER (ASF)
DECHEVRE (UPC)
MATHER (CCTA)
2.5. European Auto Forum
Mr. Klaus Berning, EAF Chairman, resigned.
MCOB Recommendation
Mr. Spielrein should contact Mr. Berning in order to settle the issue of a possible successor.
The latter could be: Mr. de Rousset-Hall (UK), member of CCTA and Chairman of the automotive section of FLA.
The E.A.F. "Study Day" can be a session of the "One-Day Business Forum" to be organized next year (see below).
3. One-Day Business Forum
Leaseurope organised a One-Day Business Forum last year (85 participants) and will hold the second Forum on June 5, 2002.
MCOB Recommendation
It is advisable to organize a comparable event (business and market oriented)
Date: Thursday May 16, 2002BOARD Decision
The Secretariat to prepare the programme.
Proposals for topics are:
- "Integrated workflow" (cutting costs, i.e.: customers relationship; call centers; quality management; search for efficiency; process mapping (six sigma: Mr. Spielrein)
- Credit scoring techniques (CCTA expertise)
A cocktail meeting to be organized the day before (contact with EU officials).
4. Capital Adequacy
The Chairman reported on a meeting he had on November 29, 2001 with Mr. Campogrande
(DG MARKT) - Report attached.
The members had a long debate about the opportunity, the ways and means to be
adopted in order to develop further lobbying action in this important matter.
It is recalled that Leaseurope asked the Bocconi University to carry out a detailed
technical analysis in order to demonstrate that leasing is a "safe"
operation (losses are more limited than in the banking sector). This analysis
was presented in Warsaw.
Due to its technical expertise, the consumer credit industry may well pretend
using the Internal Rating Based Approach (advanced); this, obviously, needs
statistical and empirical demonstration and simulations.
Messrs. Lecomte and Angerhausen expressed some reservations about the opportunity
and feasibility of such a study. Mrs. Gelpi questioned its usefulness for companies
being part of larger consolidated groups.
MCOB Recommendation
Messrs. Karsten and Filotto will examine the feasibility of using
- an existing analysis achieved for the benefit of ASSOFIN members
- an existing consulting study launched in Germany for the benefit of Bankenfachverband members.
BOARD Decision
After a vote, it was decided to go ahead with the project. Budget: +/- Euro 30,000 (to be paid from the Federation's reserve fund).
The Board members will help Messrs. Karsten and
Filotto to collect the requested data within a sample of individual companies
in a couple of significant countries in the EU.
Deadline: March 15, 2002
The Secretariat will provide updated information on the "State of play"
re: draft Directive on "Financial conglomerates".
5. Financial Matters
5.1. Financial situation (October 31, 2001) doc. circulated to members
Surplus: Euro 14,158 (subject to Turkey's payment
of 2001 fee: Euro 12,750)
To be added - Warsaw surplus: Euro 8,770
MCOB Recommendation
To adopt the financial situation.
BOARD Decision
Agreed to adopt the financial situation.
5.2. Budget 2002 doc. circulated to members
2001 - 2002 increase: + 2,47%
To be taken into account:
The GA in Warsaw accepted a subscription fee calculation based upon a fixed amount per NA (50% budget) and a variable amount per NA (50% budget). The letter refers to turnover per NA.
In a letter dated November 8, 2001, Mr. G. Turinetto, Chairman of ASSOFIN, contested the results on which to base the fees calculation (fees are no longer based on the proposals formulated in Warsaw). This is due to "last minute" changes in statistical data provided by certain Associations. Mr. Turinetto said that "modification of the actual fee structure can be implemented only if the figures given by the NA are officially certified . he formally asked that for the "figures to be stabilized and made reliable". As a consequence, Mr. Filotto was not mandated by his Board to approve Eurofinas' budget in its present state.
MCOB Recommendation
In order to solve the problem, the following is proposed and agreed upon:
- Statistics of every NA will have to be signed by the Chairman of the NA. This will have to be validated by a third party entity (to be defined, e.g. Secretary General or Treasurer).
- The budget, as proposed, is approved by the MCOB and there is a recommendation to the Board to adopt it.
BOARD Decision
The Board adopted the budget.
The Federation will prepare a "Rules and Tools" document helping to develop a reliable and accurate statistics collection within Eurofinas.
ASSOFIN will only pay 50% of the budget proposal as formulated at the GA. The situation shall be reconsidered at mid-year for subscription fees related to the 2nd semester.
5.3. Warsaw Financial Results
There is a surplus of Euro 8,770.
The Chairman and Mr. Dressler congratulated the Secretary General for his excellent
work in such difficult circumstances (events of September 11, 2001).
6. Conferences
6.1. Salzburg (2002)
Programme: a draft programme is circulated to members.
Suggestions for topics:
Suggestions for speakers:
6.2. Morocco (2003)
The members welcomed the invitation of the Moroccan Association; the Secretariat will officially write to the Association.
7. Next Meetings
Attachment: Report
on the Meeting with Mr. Campogrande (DG SANCO)
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